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Royal Navy Service Record

Sidney Charles Thorne

Date and Period of Engagements. Age Height
Ft.    Ins.
Chest
In.
Hair. Eyes. Complexion. Wounds, Scars, or Marks.
9th December 1912 - 12 years 18 5.3 1/2
5.51/2
35
36"
Bro.
lt.Bro
Grey Sallow
Fresh
Scar inner side of knee
Ships, &C,
Served in.
List & No. Rating Sub-ratings Badges Period of Service Character & Ability If Discharged,
Wither and
For what cause
Remarks.
Rating From. To. From. To. C. Date A.
Ganges II  15a2  3695 Boy II S.G 31.7.18   G1 26.8.19
1
17 Jan 12           X.Per Lady 16 Ledger
" " " Boy I Diver. 21.3.19 30.4.19 D1  6.6.21
1
7 Apr 12 29 Apr 12         (1)Over 3yrs
Antrim 153 79 " Diver II 1.5.19   R1 19.12.21
1
29 Apr 12 2 Sept 12 VG   Sat    
Pembroke I 153 3254 "         3 Sept 12 10 Sept 12          
Falmouth 52 128 "         11 Sept 12 17 Oct 12 VG   Sat    
Pembroke I " " "         18 Oct 12 5 Dec 12 VG 31.12.12 Sat    
Falmouth 152 8315 "         6 Dec 12   Good 31.12.13 Sat    
" 5II 204 Ord         9 Dec 12 27 Dec 12 VG 31.12.14 Sat    
Pembroke I 152 8375 "         28 Dec 12 30 July 13 "      
Vulcan 52 204 "         July 13 28 Dec 13   7 days cells Insolence & disobedience
" " " "         5 Jan 14        
" " " Ab         17 Sept 14 31 Mch 15   Run 28/6/15 Pembroke I
Pembroke I 15II 3977 "         1 Apr 15 27 May 15   10 days cells  
" " " "         8 Jun 15 28 Jun 15 Good   RunX *** 9-8-**
sentenced by *** of 28-8
to 36 days detention
Pembroke I 18th/599
Sept 15
" 152 5440 "         28 Sept 15 20 Sept 15 Fair 31.12.15 Sat RP/1333/19
Alert (Mantis) 12p. 15 X "         21 Dec 15 21 May 16 VG 31.12.16 Sat
Dalhousie ( " ) 1210 " " (1)         22 May 16 24 July 18 VG 31.12.17 Sat  
Pembroke I 152 5159 "         25 July 18 25 Aug 19 VG 31.12.18 Sat  
Carnarvon 52 486 " (2)         26 Aug 19 5 Oct 20 VG 31.12.19 Sat   X. A.G.9
Pembroke I 15II   "         6 Oct 20 5 June 21 VG   Sat 14 days cells (2)Over 6yrs 1.2.19
vide Carnarvon
Sept '19 ledger
" " " "         20 June 21 22 July 21 Good 31.12.21 Sat  
Raleigh 52 284 "         23 July 21 31 July 21        
Pembroke I 15II 17153 "         1 Aug 21 8 mrch 22 VG   Sat Invalided
old injury
Rt.hand.
XRun removed
        CLASS FOR CONDUCT           N.L.4147/22
                  { Vide Mch 20
Carnarvon
                           
May contain transcription errors due to poor writing.
Please refer to original. I've done my best !!!

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Traced Pension
9/5/22
F257 Interview London
tomorrow **/*/** ****
F257 interview & filed

NOTES:

Original Record - Thumbnail Chatham,
Name in full: Thorne, Sidney Charles,
Official Number: J15663,
Date of Birth: 9th December 1894,
Place of Birth: Bow, London.
Occupation: Shop Boy  Merchant Seaman.

Catalogue reference: ADM 188/678,
Piece: 15501-16000.
Dept Records of the Admiralty, Naval Forces, Royal Marines, Coast guard, and related bodies Series Admiralty: Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services.

Understanding the record.

Good conduct badges: G = Granted, D = Deprived, R = Restored
A good conduct badge meant extra money.

Rating "SG" - Seaman Gunner.

Run - Either AWOL or Desertion.

Run Removal - Removal of 'RUN' was an administrative procedure and depended upon the circumstances of the man's recovery (or not) from desertion.

The name of a vessel on which someone served was often put in brackets after the shore station or depot ship to which it was attached for administrative purposes (usually happened with smaller craft, motor launches, gunboats etc.)

R I M S = Royal Indian Marine Ship.

"A.G.9" is Branch 9 of the department of the Accountant General of the Navy. R.P./1333/19 almost certainly refers to official correspondence in 1919 on some matter.

Traced Pension = Done full time (12yrs) and/or paid war gratuity.

CP = confined to port.   

8ds = 8 days.  

Cells = "in clink".  

vide = refer to.

WWI - Whereabouts & Activities of HMS Mantis.
Drawing, HMS Mantis, Mesopotamia
Drawing, HMS Mantis, Mesopotamia

Ref. 'Official History of the Mesopotamia Campaign. Vol. III'

24th Feb. 1917: Capt. Nunn, the Senior Naval Officer, proposed to General Maude that his gunboat flotilla (Mantis, Tarantula, Moth, Butterfly, Gadfly and Snakefly) should move up the Tigris. This was agreed to and the gunboats proceeded upstream, encountering some floating mines which they easily avoided, and anchored off Kut about 9.30 pm.

25th Feb.917: The naval flotilla (S.N.O.) Mantis, Moth, Gadfly and Butterfly, having passed through the Shumran Bridge about 8 am, had also arrived and were co-operating with their guns in the 38th Brigade attack.

26th Feb.1917: Capt. Nunn at once proceeded upstream at full speed, Tarantula (S.N.O.), leading, then Mantis and Moth, with Gadfly and Butterfly following. Just after passing Bughaila, with white flags flying over it, at 2 pm, the gunboats began to overtake numbers of enemy stragglers on the left bank, and these, holding up their hands as a sign of surrender, were sent back to be taken by the troops.... as his ship approached the Nahr al Kalek bend, Capt. Nunn observed a large body of enemy on which he ordered all guns to fire. This was the enemy rearguard entrenched at the apex of the complete hairpin turn which the river makes here, the ships would be under gun, machine gun and rifle fire.... Capt. Nunn did not hesitate but steamed on... the Moth which was last in line suffered most severely. Finally handled by her commander Lt-Com. C.H.A. Cartwright, she was hit 8 times by shell which pierced one of her boilers and holed her below the water line, while 4 our of her 5 officers and half her remaining complement were killed or wounded. But she managed to keep going.

27th Feb 1917: The Moth and Firefly were sent to Basra for repairs.

Mons, Anzac & Kut, by Aubrey Herbert - Extracts from the third diary, which deals with the fall of Kut, was written on the Fly boats of the River Tigris. www.gwpda.org/wwi-www/Mons/mons3.htm.
Lots of reference to The Mantis and to his dealings with Lawrence and negotiations with the Turks.


Information on the vessels.

Ganges II - 1905 - 1972. Training Establishment for Boys. In Shotley. Various images of HMS Ganges (c.1905 to 1915) are located at the end of this page.

HMS Antrim - Armoured cruiser, Devonshire class. 10.850t. Crew of 700. Launched 1905 and sold 1922.
HMS Antrim

Sidney was on Antrim from the end of April to beginning of September 1912.

Pembroke I - Was a shore based establishment. Pembroke I
Chatham Dockyard.

HMS Vulcan - Was a Submarine Depot Ship. Vulcan built at Portsmouth Dockyard and launched 13th June 1889. Her main purpose was to launch smaller torpedo boats against enemy shipping. Scrapped 1955.

I've been told that at the time Sidney Thorne was stationed on HMS Vulcan, that the ship was up in Leith, Scotland. HMS Vulcan

Dalhousie - Was a troopship owned by the Imperial Indian Government. Built by Caird at Greenock, launched 5 June 1886. 1960 tons, 239ft x 36ft.

She was employed on trooping duties until 1918 when she was sent to Basra to be used as an accommodation / depot ship for the use of British forces in Iraq. She was returned to the control of the Royal Indian Marine in July 1919.

HMS Alert Alert & Dalhousie were depot ships at Basra at the time of Sidney Charles Thorne's service. The gunboat Mantis is the vessel listed in the brackets next to them. So he would have served on the Mantis.

Mantis - HMS Mantis was a Insect Class River Gunboat.

Launched 14/9/15 and sold in China 20/1/40. HMS Mantis, WWI

645 tons, 230ft long x 36 ft wide and carried 2x6" and 1x3" guns.

These insect class gunboats were used extensively on the rivers in what was known as Mesopotamia (modern day Iraq).

HMS Mantis, c.1920, Suez In 1916 Gnat, Mantis, Moth and Tarantula were towed out to the Persian Gulf to join the Tigris Flotilla. Over the next two years they, together with the rest of the expeditionary force, fought their way all the way to Baghdad.

Bughaila Feb 1917, The Tigris River Flotilla (HMS Mantis, Tarantula, Moth, Butterfly, Gadfly and Snakefly) assists in the advance on Baghdad. They encounter the Turkish river Navy and sink two of their boats,Basra and Pioneer. The Firefly in Turkish service is run aground and recaptured.

HMS Mantis, 1939, Shanghi
HMS Mantis, 1915, at Sunderland Shipbuilders

Carnarvon - HMS Carnarvon was a Devonshire-class armoured cruiser (10,850 tons displacement), of the Royal Navy. In 1919 she served as a cadets' training ship until sold in March 1921 and broken up on 8 November 1921.
HMS Carnarvon
Sidney was on Carnarvon from the 26th August 1919 until October 1920. Coincidentally, or perhaps not a coincidence, that was the same date he was awarded his good conduct badge.

HMS Raleigh - Was a Hawkins-class heavy cruiser of the Royal Navy. Ran aground in 1922.
HMS Raleigh, 1919


• Some photos of HMS Ganges, Shotley •
HMS Ganges, Sept 1909, Dinning Hall HMS Ganges, Swimming Pool HMS Ganges, 74 class, Either 1912 or 1913
HMS Ganges, Parade, 1905 HMS Ganges, 1905 HMS Ganges, 1908, quarterdeck
Top left to right: 1909 DinningHall / Swimming Pool, date unknown / Class photo, either 1912 or 1913
Bottom left to right: 1905 Parade / 1905 Cadets rowing / 1908 Quarterdeck